You ATI guys really make me laugh. I have used both. Nvidia has always been better with OpenGL then ATI. You seem to think any time a OpenGL game comes out and runs better on Nvidia that there was a conspiracy to optimize performance for Nividia. But any time a game comes out that runs better on ATI you say that just shows the card is better. Do you really think they are going to program so one card sucks. Let me see, make less money by not selling copies of the game to ATI owners. You don't really believe that happens do you. If you could get it done, It would take more then a few hundred thousand or a few million. Well enjoy your fantasies and rants that your card is great and everything else sucks but what you have. Most people in your age group are usually self deluded and suffer from e-penis envy. God the way you guys cry and whine about everything is kind of sad. Just buy what you like, others will do the same, Enjoy it. If not, then switch to something else.

Yes, they do. Heck, they even have recent WHQL Win98/Me drivers.... 4 months after ATI told us that they're stopping production of said drivers because Microsoft won't WHQL them. Not that I'm implying that ATI would ever say or do anything less than honest, you understand.

"Futhermore, on 9800 Pro and 5900xt, benchmarks are almost equal." Wow what a crock of shit.

lol half life made you jump? Anyway I think The Suffering is a much better horror oriented game. Im not saying Doom 3 isnt scary at parts, its just that there are only certain parts during the game.. Plus monsters walking up behind you kinda gets boring after a while.. The story and everything is good though, but try out the suffering or undying if you want a nice horror game. :)

"With ATI you get: Superior fps in d3d (still 85% of all games)" But... That is simply a lie. Who told you that? Its not true.

Thats a load of...

Half Life 1 made me not only jump, it made me throw my keyboard to the right, my mouse to the left, and then I refused to play the game for 10 minutes... It was my first meeting with a Barnacle. :P

agreed 100%.

I have seen reviews where X800 is faster. I have seen reviews where 6800 is faster. I have seen reviews where X800 and 6800 is on the same level. My conclusion: None are faster, they are equal. Just becouse you only read reviews that votes in your favor (you WANT to believe ATI is still THE KING), dont mean its true. In fact, most of the later reviews have proven that the simple '6800' (non-ultra) can surpass Platinum Edition in some tests. Equal level on D3D, Nvidia leads on OpenGL, no PS3 on x800.

Forget what you heard, and find some up to date information. Everything you mentioned in your latest message are newbie misconceptions and rumours that have been proven false by many professional testers. There are no iq difference between 6800 and x800. This have already been tested and proved by almost every test out there. 6800 requires no more power consumption than what you may find in an average setup. The initial rumours where proved false at an early stage. The price is not that much higher. The longer survivaltime of 6800 makes up for it. No point in wasting $ on a x800 that is out of date before christmas. I do not "pick side" between nvidia and ati, but I also do not spread lies about any of them on the net.