Again i stated the obvious when ati first went anal on nvidia with the r350,,,,,"REAL WORLD BENCHES " are you and i playing these games not 3dmark.....so the winner and still champion is ati just accept the penis in your buttocks like men..... ps-i have gforce 2 32mb and nforce 2 which i love.....nvidia is on a roll with thier cpu chipsets and it is showing on thier vpu cores.The real contest is next generation games.....or the doom 3 engine games cus all these game companies will license from id an d these cards now will be like my g2......get it???