Nice.

Well they might not have a 9800 Pro at their disposal.

Yeah i was thinking the same thing, why didnt they use a radeon 9800 in their tests? Maybe its because the 9800 beats the geforce 5900...

The NV35 looks interesting and Nvidia sure could use an outright winner to stop the excessive bashing they have been getting. As many already stated, the reviewer at AVault seems somewhat confused by his own subject. It would be prudent to reserve judgement on this product until it is launched and coupled with Detonator 50.xx drivers. At that point it should be compared to other top-of-the-line products and by a competent reviewer before drawing any conclusions. It seems many people fail to either observe or comment on the fact that this latest batch of cards are so powerful that there really is no software to challenge them. The real test with come with the arrival of the next killer apps such as Doom 3. Who cares if you can run Quake 3 at max settings and get 300 fps? What will matter is getting the most out of the next generation of games. For the record, I enjoy a good FPS on a GF4ti4600 that I have owned since its launch. It still works great and the need for a card like the Nvidia GeforceFX 5900 Ultra will only really come with software that can bring it to its knees (oddly enough).

..is actually pretty simple, I just think all they could get their hands on to test it against was the 9700. Whenever you see an oddball comparison like that it's either biased to show off the card or some poor geek who's trying to put a review together with him and his buddies kit, so they tend to use whatever they can get a hold of rather than the optimum comparison. ;) (I DEFINATELY fall into that latter camp. :lol: )

Sorry I'm late, I over-slept this morning and am still playing "catch-up". :rolleyes: Not only me first pot-o-coffee, I'm still on me first cup! :eek: I don't got any of me usual pathetic remarks about nVidia yet today, I'm sort of holding back judgement on 'em 'til I see a few more reviews. I've actually heard/think that nVidia has got a hell of a contender on it's hand this time in the 5900 FX and am glad about it, but I'm reserving judgement until I see a few more reviews/the 256MB 9800 Ultra Pro comes out. (You KNOW ATi is going to be releasing a higher clocked, faster memory model 9800 Pro very soon, right? ) It's gonna be a fun geek Monday either way. :)

Yeah, you do raise a good point. I remember playing with a 9500 Pro and wondering why the heck anyone would need anything faster, the sucker ran every game I threw at it just great with AA & AF enabled. :) I still am sort of hung-up on the whole "$499" aspect of this new card....I really COULD build a decent gaming rig for that kind of cash and really wonder how many people will be willing to shell out the cash for this new toy?

Damn, it's actually laughably bad! The card don't look bad, but that was a crap presentation of it!

Personally, I do not have a problem with the absolute price (~$499) of modern cards. It is more of a question of what I will get in return for it. I paid close to this for my GF4Ti4600 and I have not had any regrets. I have been very tempted to buy the Radeon 9700/9800/AIW Pro cards as well as the GeforceFX, but this has more to do with "something to mess around with" and not a genuine need for such a device. However, the time for an upgrade is definitely nearing and it is probable that I will purchase the Geforce FX 5900 Ultra or the next ATI Radeon iteration (R390?). Just to add another point: I find it somewhat peculiar that people are quarreling over what amounts to a few percentage points in performance and then go into tirades about image quality when there are other interesting aspects of the feature sets. One of the most interesting parts about the Radeon R3xx series is the video shader. This is something that interests me and I can see a benefit in. I suppose it makes sense to only focus in gaming performance if that is all you want/need and will discard the unit when the next generation ships, but if you hold on to a card for 12 months then this should be a point of interest. BTW: I am long time Nvidia user and have come to feel very comfortable with their products. I put off buying the GeforceFX the moment I read (heard?) about the cooling system. At that point I stopped loking at the performance numbers. I am allergic to noise like that unless I am looking to quickly dry my hair. I may be biased, but it is not a blind performance issue. It is simply experience leading to comfort with how the drivers will operate and what to expect. One of my main interests in Radeon 9700 was that I have longed to be totally blown away by something "new" like that moment I first put a Voodoo 2 or Geforce in one of my systems. Just a little background and possible fuel for the flaming. ;)