I got into a bit of an argument with Kyle over this one the other day due to a misunderstanding on my part. Kyle is NOT saying that nVidia didn't cheat, it's just his view that nVidia's cheating on that benchmark is a form of clever optimization for it...which I can't disagree with since it is. The point we DO differ on is the reasons behind it. He's taking the laid back high-road with a "wait-n-see what nVidia has to say about it" attitude where as I (and a few others) have looked at the evidence and already condemed nVidia for the lying, cheating s***** that they are. But I do believe that Kyle is sincere in his beliefs on this one, and I do NOT think he's defending nVidia so much as not rushing to cast judgement on their reasons for the "optimizations" Not being as restricted in me own opinion, I have real trouble seeing as how deliberately short-cutting the intent of a benchmark to sell video cards can be viewed like that. I'm NOT in agreement with him on this one, but I do respect his position on it. Kyle's alright, he's just waiting for more evidence before making any decisions/casting any aspertions....me I'll round up a posse and light the torches to go march on the monster's castle!

The ability to free roam in that benchmark became available in a beta-build AFTER nVidia decided that 3dm2k3 was a waste of time/money and they weren't going to optimize for it. I can't argue with you that nVidia pulled a real boner on this one, but they REALLY DID! :lol:

It's over in the monster thread on nVnews about their cheating and in the ExtremeTech article itself, the tool was released AFTER nVidia dropped out of the 3dm2k3 program. Now I'm not certain that SOMEONE there didn't know of it...in fact I'd be damned surprised if they didn't keep up with those things thru some back-channels, but it looks like they didn't and were caught flat-footed. :)

Just wanted to hit your "Why would they do this". They'd do it so they could declare themselves the clear-cut winner of the new King-o-viddy card crown to get back their reputation. They based their "win" on 3dm2k3 scores and the Doom3 demo, the 9800 Pro and the 5900 FX are damned close in performance if you disregard those and it's a shooting match. nVidia was pushing those two as their "big win"....and now it's blowing up in their faces. The sad thing is the 5900 FX is a really nice card that can stand up to the 9800 Pro and didn't NEED any cheating to be an Uber-leet card...and this just casts doubts on an already damaged reputation. :(

How can you tell when nVidia is lying? Either their lips move or they issue a press release. You have them on WAY too high of a pedastool friend, they're just out for your money.

You just did. :p

Actually i agree with chris_exe and i own a geforce 4. You were being a little over the top. My guess is you have nvidia card as well ? The FX is a mess up, the nforce is great. Anyway he must have got his nforce 2 before all this cheat/bug stuff started, maybe ??