Totally agree with you on this one ChrisW. For desktop Pc sound Creative is the best. Has the best features, decent driver support and are innovative. Most other companies release their sound cards with features similar to what creative have but 1-2 years behind. Never had a driver problem with Creative cards and have been using them since the good old SB16 card :) through the live. Currently using an old audigy platinum card but it still works ace. With reference to the quote " >>>>Without a doubt I'll probably get flamed by the situation in the sound card market is just like the siutation in the OS market. One company dominates over the others because they're a monopoly, not because they're any good or anything. They don't add anything new or revolutionary at all, if they had more of a competition I can gaurentee that their drivers would get better and they'd put out a better product" Im sorry but what a load of BS. Creative had always been infront with desktop sound cards, and they are of good quality. Just sounds liek the guy has had a bad experience with creative and just wants to rant about them. As for the MS jibe, I think there doing a decent job, ok xp etc have had problems, but it aint like Linux etc havent. Linux is a good os, but its a good few years behind Windows, and probably will be for a good while to come. Peav