Is it now only OK to agree with others and play nice and not call a pile of crap a pile of crap anymore? 3DMark is a joke and most know this. Sue me 3DMark for expressing this opinion.

any publicity = good publicity for anyone with ads on their site :)

Kyle is such an ass.. I almost fell over laughing at the point where he started to steam about freedom of speech, after all hardocp forums are famous for banning everyone who dares to disagree with the god kyle.

i think anyone who knows their stuff about computers, takes 3dmarks results with a grain of salt really, and i guess the dev's at 3dmark live under a rock to not notice all the forums and sites talk about how useless of a benchmark it is. heres a good example of their crud: i just recently got me a 9600 non pro and oc'd it to pro speeds (128megs of ram and 8x agp) running omega's drivers (yes, they rock on my radeon). i replaced my Geforce 4 ti4200 64meg chaintech card. all the games i play had a major jump in FPS, of course.. except doom 3 (big deal). 3dmark2001 tells me that my gf4 was faster than this radeon, but fraps tells me a different story. i would score 12000 with my gf4 and my d3d performance was pitiful in games, i score about 9000 points with this radeon and like i said.. all my games are running faster. 3dmark2004 (or whatever) i think i scored a whole 1400 points in, and 05 i got..well i dont know what i got, i cant stand to watch a slide show and i aborted, uninstalled it, and laughed. i wouldnt trust 3dmark's software to tell me differences in my machine using various tweaks or drivers, and i see people say they use it to burn in their oc'd video cards.. ya know what, go to www.fraps.com and/or get any in game commands to display fps counters, load up your fav game(s), and take the fee to register 3dmark and buy you some caffine drinks and pizza, and play your butt off all night THAT will burn your card in just as nicely.. and you'll have more fun doing it lol. as for [H], meh, i dont visit his site, i've never cared for his or toms site, i see alot of em bashing rage3d, and driverheaven, when both those sites has a great forum to reference when troubleshooting your stuff, and looking for fixes. just my take on it all. cheers.

second that :P