Why is their no ATI news?
I've had several Nividia cards including the TI4600 and serval ATI which Im curently using R9700.they have all been great cards with no problems from any of them.
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I've had several Nividia cards including the TI4600 and serval ATI which Im curently using R9700. they have all been great cards with no problems from any of them. The TI4600 far exceeded the demands of the games out right now, and the Radeon 9700 is just plain overkill. I'll be glad when both card makers start moving away from frame rates and look more at enchanced multimedia features like the All-in-wonder. I think the same can be said about Intel and Amd. Speed is not everything !
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Maybe they would be cheaper? prove me wrong. Maybe they would be able to sell more cards and be able to reduce the price as a result? Maybe they would make so much money they wouldn't want anymore and would just start giving them away? Maybe they would get so popular they would put them bitches in happy meals? Maybe they would become the new status symbol for rappers and Master P would throw a few of them up in his mouf and start rappin' bout his NVTres0 being all up in the shizit or something like that? See that's what is great about hypothetical situations they are nonentities and therefore you can say what you want and nobody can prove you wrong ...meaning they are essentially useless in arguments.
But please don't let me interupt I love watching futile forum arguments.
But please don't let me interupt I love watching futile forum arguments.
ATI is far more concerned with making a product that is faster in benchmarks than anything Nvidia can put out.... ATI makes a board, puts it on the shelf & forgets about it.. The 8500 was the first & last thing from ATI I will ever own.. I was already reading news about the R300 before I could actually get my R200 to work with most of the games I wanted to play... ATI has by far the worste drivers I have ever had the displeasure of having to use.... My first real graphics accelerator was a voodoo2... I have since owned a TNT, TNT2 Ultra, V3, GF2 GTS, Kyro2 Prophet 4500, Radeon 8500, & now a GF4 Ti 4200... By far the worste card I have ever owned was the 8500..
Its a shame to see a company try so hard to be number 1 but they are really shooting themselves in the foot by producing hardware that is in the simplest terms (UNSTABLE AT BEST) hyping features they get working (sort of) months after the board is on shelves...
Who makes the fastest board isn't the entire picture by any means.. Nvidia has made the fastest boards for a very long time & managed to have excellent drivers to back up there products.. Thats a record ATI can not as of yet match nor has it come close too... I would much rather hand ATI the speed crown & wait for Nvidia to produce a fully functioning product than have a $400.00 headache from ATI when all it can offer is a speed increase over whats already out & thats if you can get it to run stable....
Its a shame to see a company try so hard to be number 1 but they are really shooting themselves in the foot by producing hardware that is in the simplest terms (UNSTABLE AT BEST) hyping features they get working (sort of) months after the board is on shelves...
Who makes the fastest board isn't the entire picture by any means.. Nvidia has made the fastest boards for a very long time & managed to have excellent drivers to back up there products.. Thats a record ATI can not as of yet match nor has it come close too... I would much rather hand ATI the speed crown & wait for Nvidia to produce a fully functioning product than have a $400.00 headache from ATI when all it can offer is a speed increase over whats already out & thats if you can get it to run stable....
LOL looks like there ought to be a thread " Why isnt there any GOOD news from Nvidia"
lets see IF they release their new card in FEB that means they are only six months late ( an entire product cycle) and the latest news is that their super duper FX is coming in at 499.00 and so far NO news about any FX chip based cards for the low end or mainstream segment of the market. of course being Nvidia they will probably pull another Geforce MX scam and take some Geforce 3 cards overclock them and slap a FX/MX label on them and sell them to an unsuspecting public like they did with the Geforce 2's they overclocked and put Geforce4 MX on.
the high end card segment is only a small part of the overall sales a card company needs to survive and come feb Nvidia will still have nothing to rival ati in the low end or mainstream market. and only the die hard Nvidia faithful are going to coughup 499.00 for a card that is only 30% faster than a Radeon 9700 pro which can NOW be had for as little as 310.00
Nvidia has fumbled the ball big time and it is costing them dearly.
lets see IF they release their new card in FEB that means they are only six months late ( an entire product cycle) and the latest news is that their super duper FX is coming in at 499.00 and so far NO news about any FX chip based cards for the low end or mainstream segment of the market. of course being Nvidia they will probably pull another Geforce MX scam and take some Geforce 3 cards overclock them and slap a FX/MX label on them and sell them to an unsuspecting public like they did with the Geforce 2's they overclocked and put Geforce4 MX on.
the high end card segment is only a small part of the overall sales a card company needs to survive and come feb Nvidia will still have nothing to rival ati in the low end or mainstream market. and only the die hard Nvidia faithful are going to coughup 499.00 for a card that is only 30% faster than a Radeon 9700 pro which can NOW be had for as little as 310.00
Nvidia has fumbled the ball big time and it is costing them dearly.
lets see IF they release their new card in FEB that means they are only six months late ( an entire product cycle)
Big F'ing deal for the FX or the 9700... Neither of these cards are needed yet!!!!! I don't get why you people get all worked up over these new cards.. DX9 isn't out, nothing even supports DX9 that these cards will be good for & as far as I can see my GF4 Ti 4200 is still kicking major ass in every game I play... Being BF 1942, RTCW, & when I am really bored UT2k3.. The 9700 & FX cards can both kiss my ass!!! No1 needs either...
Shew!!! Sorry about that... Needed to get that off my chest... Honestly people... Wake up!!! Sometime in July 2003 the 9700 or the FX might be needed but right now its a major waste of money for a speed increase thats more than not needed yet, unless all you play is the Doom alpha & thats like a 60 second game!!!
missing a product cycle is a big deal to the company that misses it ask 3dfx the onetime king of video cards that missed their product cycle and a little company called Nvidia that gained the advantage because of it.
Direct X9 is not all that the new ati cards have to offer. try cranking up the settings on your G4 ti4200 to max and then play your games result will be games that are almost unplayable or extremely slow. I know I have one. but the 9700 card can maintain high frame rates with the settings cranked up were event he Ti4600 would choke. the direct X9 is just a nice futureproof bonus for the card.
Direct X9 is not all that the new ati cards have to offer. try cranking up the settings on your G4 ti4200 to max and then play your games result will be games that are almost unplayable or extremely slow. I know I have one. but the 9700 card can maintain high frame rates with the settings cranked up were event he Ti4600 would choke. the direct X9 is just a nice futureproof bonus for the card.
I can crank up the settings on my 4200 & still maintain 100 fps in RTCW single player & th only thing I turn down on BF 1942 is the effects setting.. Everything else is maxed except I use 22 with hardware accelaration on the sound for BF 1942 & maintain 100 fps.. That is 1024x768 32 bit for both... RTCW multi I have the config tweaked for a bit of advantage but most RTCW players that play online & are serious do it...
Anyway.. My 4200 is running everything I play with plenty of speed.. I can't see why I or anyone else really needs anything more than a 4600 but Some people just have to be able to brag about there hardware I guess.. I know I wouldn't buy anything from ATI again after the 8500 & I am in no freaking way gonna spend 500 bucks for the new FX..... I am looking at July at the earliest before a video card upgrade & that will be about the time for the next card after the FX.. Will most likely be the FX ultra... LOL!!! So at least the soon to be released FX will be around 2 - 300 by July.... God willing that is...
Sorry about blowing up yesterday iss... I think Nvidia's claim in the hardware market is to strong to let 1 video card cycle being missed be compared to 3dfx... Nvidia is into other things now & 3dfx was strictly video cards... On that note... At the same time 3dfx & Nvidia was fighting it out while ATI wasn't even in the running for the performance card market & took control of the low end cards for many years.. Sure I think this missed cycle hurt the Nvidia's earnings but I think Nvidia is a very long way from being compared to 3dfx at this point..
Cheers mate...
Anyway.. My 4200 is running everything I play with plenty of speed.. I can't see why I or anyone else really needs anything more than a 4600 but Some people just have to be able to brag about there hardware I guess.. I know I wouldn't buy anything from ATI again after the 8500 & I am in no freaking way gonna spend 500 bucks for the new FX..... I am looking at July at the earliest before a video card upgrade & that will be about the time for the next card after the FX.. Will most likely be the FX ultra... LOL!!! So at least the soon to be released FX will be around 2 - 300 by July.... God willing that is...
Sorry about blowing up yesterday iss... I think Nvidia's claim in the hardware market is to strong to let 1 video card cycle being missed be compared to 3dfx... Nvidia is into other things now & 3dfx was strictly video cards... On that note... At the same time 3dfx & Nvidia was fighting it out while ATI wasn't even in the running for the performance card market & took control of the low end cards for many years.. Sure I think this missed cycle hurt the Nvidia's earnings but I think Nvidia is a very long way from being compared to 3dfx at this point..
Cheers mate...
Hey GodGoyle no need to apologize I happen to agree with what you said I was merely pointing out that the 9700 does offer more than just support for future direct x9 games. I follow the same strategy as you in buying a new video card. I tend to stay one generation or so behind I think its insane to buy the latest and the greatest when they are released. I did that ONCE and am the not so proud owner of a card that cost me over 400.00 and today couldnt even keep up with a 60.00 card.
in the past three months I upgraded two of my machines with new cards one with a radeon 8500 128 DDR I got for 134.00 and the other a Gainward G4Ti4200 I caught on sale for 129.00. both have been excellent and trouble free. I have no doubt Nvidia will survive but I think their missed product cycle is going to have lingering repercussions but you are right in that Nvidia is a largeer stronger company than 3DFX was.
I tend to lean towrds ATI for my own future videocard purchase at present hoping to pick up a 9700 at a greatly reduced price next year when ATI releases it's new R350 chipset cards.
I also want to try out the new NForce2 based mobo's looks like Nvidia has done a great job producing a fast stable chipset for the AMD chips.
in the past three months I upgraded two of my machines with new cards one with a radeon 8500 128 DDR I got for 134.00 and the other a Gainward G4Ti4200 I caught on sale for 129.00. both have been excellent and trouble free. I have no doubt Nvidia will survive but I think their missed product cycle is going to have lingering repercussions but you are right in that Nvidia is a largeer stronger company than 3DFX was.
I tend to lean towrds ATI for my own future videocard purchase at present hoping to pick up a 9700 at a greatly reduced price next year when ATI releases it's new R350 chipset cards.
I also want to try out the new NForce2 based mobo's looks like Nvidia has done a great job producing a fast stable chipset for the AMD chips.
